How shall we decide who's president?

How shall we decide who are next president shall be? I'm tired of all this legal battle crap! I think they should fight to the death! The winner is the president and he shall stay president until challenged by another and killed. But, that's just what I think . . . __________________ A main event cage match with MN's Governing "Body" presiding as referee Winner take all!!! __________________ Why don't we just have an election. Whoever wins, wins! The loser should just shut up and go home. What kind of President would we have if he won the presidency in a court room instead of an election? In a court it comes down to one vote, the judge's. How sad we've been wasting all this money on elections when we could have just had the President selected by a state judge. This would set a very bad precedent. It's just shy of asking the state church to select our new king. We can not allow an elite rulling minority (the judicial branch) the power to dictate who our leaders are. That is for the electorate to decide at the direction of the people. This is a lot more serious than most people understand it to be. The only verdict from the Florida courts should be "I'm sorry Mr. Gore but the courts can not overturn the will of the people of the United States of America". If the methods of the election were questionable then they need to be addresses. Any questions about how things need to be handled should be resolved in the courts for the next election. Haste in attempting to resolve complicated issues will result in errors that will be more difficult to fix than if it was done properly in the first place. I voted for Nader if anyone wants to know my bias. Here are some interesting facts: Population of counties won by Gore: 127 million Population of counties won by Bush: 143 million Square miles of country won by Gore: 580,000 Square miles of country won by Bush: 2,427,000 States won by Gore: 19 States won by Bush: 29 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1 __________________ Then again, a Celebrity Death Match would be cool. __________________ red light - green light arm wrestle a game of jacks duck-duck goose just to name a few __________________ Quote: Originally posted by evilcyclops Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Gore: 13.2 Average Murder per 100,000 residents in counties won by Bush: 2.1 That's not really news. We all know urban centers are Democrat strongholds, just as some dude in west Texas, dollars to doughnuts, voted for the Bush. If you can find another person to murder out there, that's an accomplishment in and of itself. __________________ As for my pick for how to choose, I'd say a two day marathon of the Circle game. You know, that one where if you look at the circle, you get a punch in the arm? Classic...ly stupid, that is. But hey, everything else in this campaign has been, why not this? __________________ Three words: Ro Sham Bo then we'll technically have a woman for president though after a good match of ro sham bo. . . oh well. Gore has proved enough to be a lil' bitch. hehe. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by spigidygak Three words: Ro Sham Bo Is that where ah kick you in the balls as hard as ah can, and then you do the same to me? __________________ How about this... Drop both of them off in the middle of the meanest neighborhood of LA, or Chicago, or Miami, or New York. Both would be wearing Bermuda shorts, white pennyloafers, and be carrying $10,000 cash in a shoebox. First one to reach a suburb alive, wins. In the event of a tie, the one with the most remaining money wins. If we're lucky, we'll have to pick two new candidates. That ought to roughly simulate a few years as president. Jase __________________ Gore just got his pet court (FL Sup. Court) to rule that he gets more votes. Now the US Sup. Court will have to overturn it. You just know that the Florida court is going to get censured for this (bare minimum). __________________ Blind fold BOTH of them,put them in the middle of the beltway outside of D.C and tell them to walk to the whitehouse. Whoever gets their first without getting plastered all over the side of some fast moving Lexus will win. __________________ Pin the presidency on the Donkey/Elephant. Blu __________________ Quote: Originally posted by evilcyclops Gore just got his pet court (FL Sup. Court) to rule that he gets more votes. Now the US Sup. Court will have to overturn it. You just know that the Florida court is going to get censured for this (bare minimum). While I agree that ruling is nothing short of bizarre, also weird is the dismissal of those other two cases, which seemed, to me, to have a lot more substance. To dismiss it out of hand, BOTH of them, smells rotten somehow. Gore doesn't deserve this recount. We do, however, deserve to know what the hell happened with these so-called "corrected" absentee ballots. __________________ ...Senator Palapatine __________________ The cases in Seminole county and what was the other one? were not a problem of tampered ballots. That's why the ballots were counted. The applications sent in were missing a control number that was necessary to process the application. The Republicans illegally corrected these applications by entering the appropriate codes. Democrats did not have this option. This is a nasty little predicament, but I think the courts made the right decision. Neither side in the case questions the authenticity of the ballots themselves, and they are all clearly marked votes (no dimpled chads or any of that BS. These ballots are fine). The question is not whether the law was broken. It was. The question is what to do about it? Since the ballots themselves are well-formed and accurate (since absentee ballots are applied for they can be traced back to the applying voter to ensure accuracy), I think they should be counted. Its a shame that life was made easier for Republican voters to get a hold of absentee ballots, and those officials who were privy to these actions should be prosecuted. I don't think, however, that this constitutes voter fraud. Democratic voters were not prevented from applying, nor was there any evidence that there was any fraud involved with the counting or collecting of ballots. The ballots are not false or tampered with, and they express the will of the people who filled them out. I don't think they can be lumped in with those undervoted ballots in Miami-Dade or Leon County, which are not well-formed ballots and will most likely end up expressing the will of whoever analyzes it. __________________ That despite that story I posted yesterday, re: Republican officials taking ballots, unsupervised, into rooms to correct them? I'm not alleging anything, mind you. I just recognize the potential for tampering here. At the same time, throwing them out entirely seems like an even worse option; the cure is far worse than the symptoms, I suppose. __________________ I tend to agree with all of the court decisions today. The issue of the absentee ballots WAS over the applications for an absentee ballot . . . not the ballots themselves . . . and while in Florida it is considered a PRIVILEGE to vote absentee and it is the DUTY of the voters to make sure that their ballots are completely and accurately filled out, it is "draconian" to use the term floating all over the news to throw out a bunch of ballots that, while having been illegally applied for, DO express the will of those who submitted them - and in this election we DO have to do our best to see what the will of the people was! That is ALSO why I agree with the Florida Supreme Court decision to recount ALL the undervotes in the state of Florida. As I understand it, they are only counting those ballots that were not read by machines. We KNOW that there can be voter intent in ballots that the machines could not decipher and it is important to know all that we can. I think it was rather absurd of the initial judge to dismiss the original case out of hand without even LOOKING at the ballots - and that needed to be rectified and it was by the Surpreme Court. That said, in my view, Bush has every right to go to the US Supreme Court and see what they have to say . . . but I think today's rulings were all correct . . . they ruled in favor of gaining more information and in trying to meet the will of the voters. The undercounted votes would have been made public due to the Ffreedom of Information act later anyway, and it would have been absolutely sickening to find that we had the wrong person in office after they had finally been examined. This way we can be sure and EVERYONE's voice (Including those who have TECHNICALLY illegal absentee ballots) will have been heard . . . I think that is fair. __________________ There should just be a drink off. Get a keg of BUSCH Light, give 'em a couple glasses, and see who can drink more. First one to pass out loses, puking is allowed... if you drink it... __________________ Other then the judicial system ruling on how the state should count votes to decide the electors, which if I'm not mistaken the Constitution gives to the legislative branch, my problem with another hand recount is this: Gore asked for the hand recount, the Florida courts gave them til a certain day. After that day, Gore still didn't have enough votes, so they just asked for more time and more recounts... Why didn't the Florida Supreme Court just give them the extra time to start with? That's like, okay, the football game is over, but we didn't win, can we have an extra quarter because we think we're really a better team... Isn't the Florida Supreme Court supposed to still be justifying their first ruling? I read what the Federal Supreme Court said, and it sounded to me like they basically said we have no clue what legal basis the Florida Supreme Court used for their ruling, they need to explain it so that it makes judicial sense, not just, well, we feel like ruling this way... But I still think they should just have a drink off __________________ http://www.skolnicksreport.com/emciacov.html ELECTION MESS A CIA COVERT OPERATION? by Sherman H. Skolnick 12/8/00 Old-timers with covert operations expertise felt in their gut that something about the year 2000 presidential election blitz was part of an intelligence agency covert scheme. In spy parlance, they suspected the American people are victims of "black ops". Invoking "national security", the U.S. Central Intelligence Agency ordered the major press and wire services to play down if not entirely omit any possible CIA complicity mentioned in an Associated Press story later "spiked". Here are portions of the apparently censored story "Thursday December 7 415 AM ET Florida Official Admits Helping GOP By VICKIE CHACHERE, Associated Press Writer TALLAHASSEE, Fla. (AP)- One attorney charged there was a 'sinister' conspiracy to aide George W. Bush. A former CIA agent said he was trying to help GOP voters. A county election official said she let Republican operatives correct absentee ballot applications." And later in the story As to the Martin County case, AP said "Charles Kane, who testified he worked for the FBI and retired from the CIA in 1975, said nothing secretive and sinister occurred. 'We had an obligation to them', he said of Republicans who had received the inaccurate ballot document.'We had filled out their forms. We did not see this as altering. All we saw this as was correcting a problem caused by the Republican Party of Florida'" A later AP version omitted these matters. Even in the apparently suppressed story, Associated Press left out plenty. Retired CIA and other agency covert operations agents contend the Charles Kane who testified in the Martin County, Florida case is the same Charles Kane they have known for many years. They describe Charles Kane as being reportedly as follows : ===When he was younger, Charles Kane reportedly looked almost exactly like Lee Harvey Oswald, the CIA "patsy" blamed by the fraudulent Warren Commission as the "lone assassin" in 1963 of President John F. Kennedy. Several assassination researchers in their magazine articles and books have described how Oswald was framed up with situations involving Oswald "look-alikes". The book suppressed in the U.S., "Farewell America", has an extensive detailing of this. ===Charles Kane was reportedly part of CIA's super-secret bloody dirty tricks project called "Operation 40". ===Charles Kane reportedly played a role in CIA's aborted invasion in 1961 of Cuba at the "Bay of Pigs". ===Charles Kane was active in Chicago with CIA-mafia gangsters including Sam "Momo" Giancana, murdered with an OSS special type assassin gun in 1975, the same year the current Charles Kane testified he retired from the American CIA. Kane was also reportedly active with Johnny Roselli, a CIA-mafia operative murdered shortly after Giancana. [Some details are in "Double Cross" the book by Giancana relatives.] Kane reportedly helped Chicago area gangsters, including Giancana, plant the fraudulent 8,000 ballots in Chicago that enabled John F. Kennedy to carry Illinois and its Electoral College vote in 1960. Nixon was left out as a result. Nixon later played a key role at CIA's "Bay of Pigs" fiasco, blamed onto the newly-inaugurated President Kennedy. ===Charles Kane for many years reportedly was part of "Executive Action" activities of the FBI and CIA,originally domestic and overseas coups and political assassinations but in more recent years dirty tricks short of actual political murders. Has the CIA complicity in orchestrating the Florida presidential election scandal, as well as other events in the U.S., started to unravel? Has an apparent split in American CIA surfaced by way of the testimony of Charles Kane? Why then was he a witness in the Martin County case? Equally puzzling is the reprnting in softcover, just prior to the year 2000 Presidential Election,of the book "1876" by Gore Vidal. [He is a distant relative of Albert Gore, Jr. Fancy people use their grandmother's last name as their first name.] Originally published in 1976, by Random House, Inc., the last 80 pages or so of the book give the details of the Samuel Tilden-Rutherford B. Hayes election struggle of 1876, a extremely close election where one candidate got a plurality of the national popular vote and the other got the majority Electoral College vote. Strange, but it centered, in part around FLORIDA and massive corruption of public officials as to the election. Conspiracy theorists assert that the year 2000 election seems to use the book "1876" as a nearly exact blueprint, for how the nation can be divided up. Tilden, according to Gore Vidal's book, never conceded but lived out his life contending he had been the elected President. Tilden sought at the site of the Presidential inauguration to be sworn in as the elected President but was blocked by armed troops. As re-createed in Vidal's book, the country almost boiled over into a second American Civil War. Little-known to the public,all the major Establishment news networks and newswire services about to run stories about the American CIA, have to get prior clearance from the spy agency. In the U.S., there is a non-statutory version of Britain's Official Secrets Act requiring articles to be circulated effecting "national security" to be first submitted to be approved. In a like fashion in the U.S., such articles have to be submitted in advance to the CIA Censorship Board or a similar almost unknown agency or commission. British press outlets and newswire services that run afoul of the law are subject to having their equipment, presses, radio and television transmitting instruments, buildings, and vehicles seized by the London government. On the other hand, American outlets, under presidential edict rather than law-by-Congress, if accused of about to violate "national security", are subject to having their satellite links blocked by the super-secret satellite operations agency, the National Reconnaissance Office, NRO; websites shut down; and their wire service connections, domestic and overseas, terminated. The U.S. Secret Service reserves the arbitrary power to themselves to keep "un-co-operative" journalists from attending important press conferences, by denying them mandatory press credentials and security clearances, thus making such journalists unemployable. The American CIA and their "privitized" adjuncts, such as reportedly Wackenhut, have long engaged in overthrowing foreign governments, assassinating popular U.S.leaders and officials, caused fake foreign and domestic "emergencies" and coups. WHY is it hard then to believe they would not also orchestrate, on a vast scale, the overthrowing of the American Central Government, to favor, for example, the British itching to return us to a puppet colony status? Some contend we may see the American Constitution overthrown by such means and the nation run by Martial Law as a way of dealing with an expected U.S. financial debacle. Stay tuned. __________________ http://www.skolnicksreport.com/biglie.html Over the last ten years on my weekly public access Cable TV Show, I occasionally outrage some naive viewers by proclaiming they we ordinary Americans may be in a permanent post-election period. That what ails America most likely cannot be remedied anymore by elections since the ruling elite pick only blackmailable types for high office. That the ultra-rich rule us by the BULLET, NOT THE BALLOT. Leaders some of us thought were charming and possibly good for the people, have been assassinated and falsely blamed onto lone assassins. Is this the last presidential election for America? And from here on in, ordinary Americans will be interested only in the right to bear arms under the 2nd Amemdment? A guarantee by force against a central government tyranny to abolish all our other beautifully-worded rights, privileges, and immunities set forth in the Bill of Rights? I am often misunderstood by being ahead of the parade. Stay tuned. Mavi forum