How can I...

enable right-clicking if it is disabled on a particular webpage. Dont know if its possible. __________________ What I do is look at the source code. Then find the link of the picture thats needed. In IE-->Source __________________ hahah.. aren't those the stupidest messages?? the first time i saw one of those "you dont have permission to right click" i was like, "OMG WHAT THE CRAP!! how can someone tell me i dont have the right to right click!" it was just insane. its a free country! i have the right to click anywhere i want to! i also have the right to vote and revote and revote and..." Mavi forum

Did anyone tape SNL last weekend?

Hey, I missed the political Saturday Night Live last weekend. I'd be willing to PayPal someone their cost plus a few bucks if they'll send me a copy. Or even a stackable $18 Amazon GC. Any takers? I really want to see it and I totally forgot. Maggie __________________ Anyone? Please? __________________ These are a fwe clips from it: http://www.nbci.com/LMOID/bb/fd/0,946,-3972,00.html Mavi forum

Politcal keep it rollin...

There was an election... __________________ ...and two bozo's ran and tied then the American people lost. The End. __________________ but then congress came in and saved the day by appointing Colin Powell VP Fairy Tale ending :0) __________________ ...but then the wicked witch of the east Bitchery came in and gave everyone in DC poisoned apples so she could become dictatoress for life and raise everyone's taxes really, really high. Then everyone was miserable thanks to this bitch and killed themselves. The End. :/ [Edited by sbp on 11-10-2000 at 05:26 AM] __________________ Boy I wish it was that easy and quick to end this damn election. __________________ then spb realized that he was accually tipper gore and destined to be the new first lady of nothing __________________ Quote: Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel then spb realized that he was accually tipper gore and destined to be the new first lady of nothing uh huh uh huh huh huh.. riiiight.. __________________ so on and on the saga continued..with Tipper doing her daily 'bun squats' while .... __________________ ...Joe L fed the fire with DVD's and 'ungodly and immoral' paperback massage manuals... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by renots ...Joe L fed the fire with DVD's and 'ungodly and immoral' paperback massage manuals... Tee hee hee! ...while all the while leading a tawdry, seedy life as a lingerie buddy to Dick "In the Crotchless Panties" Cheney. They both led a secret, scandalous existence of bad hairpieces, biting females, and lousy basketball commentary. That is, until one day... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel then spb realized that he was accually tipper gore and destined to be the new first lady of nothing then sbp realized he could censor The Happy Squirrel's furry ass. After doing so to protect all the kids from such filth and depravity I then drank all of The Happy Squirrel's beer. __________________ BUt alas, the Squirrel used his magical powers to convinve spb that it was all a dream, a bad horrible nightmare and when spb wakes up he will accually be back in the office being ravaged by his bosses about his IOMs __________________ Soon I will be my own boss. __________________ hehe then youll spend the day kicking your own ass Mavi forum

I want One!

http://www.sightings.com/general5/trb.htm TR-3B Antigravity Physics Explained To be correct, I probably should say, "TR-3B Antigravity Physics Explained, insofar as General Relativity can be considered an explanation for gravity." Many readers of this list are probably already familiar with Edgar Foucheíís description of the USAíís Top Secret TR-3B triangular shaped nuclear powered aerospace craft. If not, read about it here: http://fouchemedia.com/arap/speech.htm Mr. Fouche describes the TR-3Bíís propulsion system as follows: "A circular, plasma filled accelerator ring called the Magnetic Field Disrupter, surrounds the rotatable crew compartment and is far ahead of any imaginable technology... The plasma, mercury based, is pressurized at 250,000 atmospheres at a temperature of 150 degrees Kelvin, and accelerated to 50,000 rpm to create a super-conductive plasma with the resulting gravity disruption. The MFD generates a magnetic vortex field, which disrupts or neutralizes the effects of gravity on mass within proximity, by 89 percent... The current MFD in the TR-3B causes the effect of making the vehicle extremely light, and able to outperform and outmaneuver any craft yet ...My sources say the performance is limited only the stresses that the human pilots can endure. Which is a lot, really, considering along with the 89% reduction in mass, the G forces are also reduced by 89%. The crew of the TR-3B should be able to comfortable take up to 40Gs... Reduced by 89%, the occupants would feel about 4.2 Gs. The TR-3Bs propulsion is provided by 3 multimode thrusters mounted at each bottom corner of the triangular platform. The TR-3 is a sub-Mach 9 vehicle until it reaches altitudes above l20,000 feet - then who knows how fast it can go!..." ~~~ Flying saucers R obsolete; Flying Triangles is where it's at. ;0) __________________ Count me in. __________________ Here's what it looks like ;0) __________________ Look mah, the nice green men are bringin daddy back __________________ Quote: Originally posted by renots Here's what it looks like ;0) Woah...that's what my air freshener looks like too. __________________ actually it reminds me of one of those 3com teleconfrencing units. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by StonedWheat Woah...that's what my air freshener looks like too. [/b] Those air fresheners are reversed engineered from the fresheners in all those alian ufo's the government has!!! __________________ yep __________________ Quote: Originally posted by hapoo Quote: Originally posted by StonedWheat Woah...that's what my air freshener looks like too. Those air fresheners are reversed engineered from the fresheners in all those alian ufo's the government has!!! [/b] Good to see U R familiar with Day after Roswell ;0) Mavi forum

People, there is no way this is going to be settled in Florida

Or even in the courts[that would take until 2001 to finish]. This is going to the House to decide Colin Powell fer Vice-President! __________________ hey i would like colin powell for pres.. i think a lot of people feel the same.. i think he's awesome. but since he cant be pres, vice would be the next best! i really really hope he runs for pres next time!! __________________ You relize that if there is a tie in the house that GORE is the tie breaker? I also just heard on CNN there was a way that Bush would be pres, and Lieberman VP, but I didn't understand how that was possible. Mavi forum

Let's settle this damn recount issue:

Gather all the legal voters from a town into a stadium. have everyone put their heads in their laps. and everyone gets to raise their hand and vote for their candidate when his name is called. Hell, it's what we did in grade school. Was there any political fighting or debating. "Oh this vote was confusing."(democrats) "You were not counting the black vote" (Jesse Jackson) "I'm running for WHAT? How the hell did that happen?" (GWB) If people are going to act like children, let's treat them like children. ....sometimes it's the simplest solution __________________ stadium wouldn't be big enough, there bound to loose count quite a few times. Sometimes children dont like to cooperate and raise there heads when its not there turn. GOOD SUGGESTION. BAD IDEA. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk stadium wouldn't be big enough, there bound to loose count quite a few times. Sometimes children dont like to cooperate and raise there heads when its not there turn. GOOD SUGGESTION. BAD IDEA. You forgot to turn your sarcasm detector on. __________________ [quote]Originally posted by StonedWheat Quote: You forgot to turn your sarcasm detector on. What are you referring to? __________________ I'm not sure if there is one... :-D __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gwilks98 Gather all the legal voters from a town into a stadium. have everyone put their heads in their laps. and everyone gets to raise their hand and vote for their candidate when his name is called. Hell, it's what we did in grade school. Was there any political fighting or debating. "Oh this vote was confusing."(democrats) "You were not counting the black vote" (Jesse Jackson) "I'm running for WHAT? How the hell did that happen?" (GWB) If people are going to act like children, let's treat them like children. ....sometimes it's the simplest solution The first two were good, the last one was dumb... Mavi forum

Studies show....

2000 Campaign Spending VS. Your Personal Finances There was a ton of money spent during this year's Presidential Election, and right now -- we still don't know who got the best return. Federal figures estimate the two major parties spent $405 million on the campaign. Here's how that money breaks down for Republicans, Democrats and You: Campaign 2000: Total Spent by Republicans: $252M Total Spent by Democrats: $153M Dollars Spent per Vote: Republicans: $5.24 Democrats: $3.18 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's what that money could have bought... Gallons of Gas ($1.65) R - 152.7 Million D - 92.7 Million Movie Tickets ($8.00) R - 31.5 Million D - 19.1Million Internet Access ($20/month) R - 12.6 Million months D - 7.6 Million months 4-Year College Educations ($100,000) R - 2,520 D - 1,530 Big Macs ($2.50) R - 100.8 Million D - 61.2 Million Honda Accords ($22,000) R - 11,454 D - 6,954 __________________ Should have spent the money on 100,000 Big Macs. Political commercials don't taste very good ;0) __________________ Or they could have bought 29 cent hamburgers from McDonalds! 868965517 for the Republicans or 527586206 for the Democrats Mavi forum

In a perfect world.....

We wouldn't have to reload the page in order to see new posts __________________ That is introduced on IE6. __________________ that is so not available where I work, and this is where I do 100% of my posting __________________ Im using it now and it works just fine. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk Im using it now and it works just fine. you have ie6? wtf? __________________ heheh IE6 tastes like chicken Mavi forum

Sign seen held by protesters

OK, regardless of what camp you're in... this is just bizarre. I was watching the news and saw one of the protesters holding a sign that said: YOUR incompetence caused my misvote I mean I guess it's important to pass the blame, but hehehe, come on. Then, right as the camera zoomed out, someone in a car drove by with a sign that said: Ollie North ripped up my ballot __________________ The excuses get better and better with each passing day..I wouldn't be surprised if there is an ELVIS sighting in there somewhere. Oye vey will it never end? __________________ and to think that if gore were in the lead in FL, all of this would be a non issue.. __________________ yay 400 posts! __________________ i believe the the inept are unaware of thier own ineptitude __________________ __________________ __________________ that little picture was supposed to imply that this election might be the one that leads us to get rid of the electoral college, but i doubt it... ProMinx Mavi forum

ballot error? bull****...

I'm sure by now everyone has caught a glimpse of the 'infamous' confusing ballots on TV or in the newspapers..They looked pretty simple to me (um..ok follow the arrows people)...What I don't understand is why all these people NOW are complaining and whining about "WAAAAA ..we were confused...waaaaaaa..we didn't want Buchanan we wanted GORE..WAAAAAA" WHY THE HELL didn't they ASK someone at the polling booths how the hell to read the damn ballots if they were confused? why submit a BALLOT if you supposedly don't know how the hell they work. I think its a pretty lame excuse for GORE being behind in those votes. Now the new thing is 3 idiots NOW HAVE lawsuits saying they were duped into voting for the wrong candidate. It's a simple case of Political Envy. __________________ hehe. I saw that as well. The people there must be too stupid to get confused __________________ I mean, yes, they must be nimrods, but at the same time, if you're confused, you're confused, and 3000+ votes for Pat "Shoot the Mexicans" Buchanan doesn't make much statistical sense when you're talking about far less than a thousand in ALL the surrounding counties, including Hillsborough or something like that, which is supposed to be mad right-wing. So go ahead and blame it only political envy ...if I just blew a hundred million on a campaign, I'd be pretty pissed if I lost the election because some guy decided to use a different ballot. __________________ BOTH the democratic and republican commitees agreed on using that ballot..o well. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by oblongmelon BOTH the democratic and republican commitees agreed on using that ballot..o well. Which doesn't change the fact that people were (maybe) casting votes for someone other than who they wanted to vote for. That, or we have a large-ish colony of geriatric skinheads running around in southern Florida... Regardless, if I was a candidate, I'd much rather win fairly, instead of hoping for a procedural mistake...but then again, if I'd blown a hundred mill on a campaign, I guess I'd rather just win! __________________ In Palm Beach County, there were around 19,000 votes that were thrown out because they were punched twice - and most of those were punched for Gore AND Buchanan. If you look at LA County, there were only about 5,000 votes thrown out for double punching (If I remember correctly), and there were MANY more people voting in LA County . . . coincidence?? Further, in Palm Beach County, only about 3,000 votes were thrown out for the same reason in the Senatorial election - so it would seem that there WAS something a bit more confusing about the Presidential ballot in Palm Beach County. __________________ I agree completely. Keep in mind, many of these people were old and can't see very well. There's no way that 19,000 people, mostly minorities, votes for Buchanan. __________________ Year 2000: ~3400 votes for Buchanan in that district with new ballot Year 1996: ~2700 votes for Buchanan in that district with original ballot __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Apex Year 2000: ~3400 votes for Buchanan in that district with new ballot Year 1996: ~2700 votes for Buchanan in that district with original ballot I've never seen the 2700 vote number, but I won't argue it, although I would like to see the source if you've got it. However, my suspicion would be that Buchanan had more support in 1996 than he did this year. He seems to have less support in the vast majority of places around the country, why would he have increased support in Palm Beach County this year - especially since he didn't even visit Palm Beach County once during the entire campaign? Further, Buchanan himself has said that he believes he received votes that he shouldn't have. This is quoted from the CNN website "My guess is, I probably got some votes down there that really did not belong to me and I do not feel well about that. I don't want to take any votes that do not belong to me." Would Buchanan admit that and open the door to having a Democrat win if he didn't really believe it? __________________ I saw that about the double punching..why did they think they could punch it twice and still be counted? where is the logic? no matter WHICH side is complaining the worst-it still doesn't explain the fact that these people VOTED. If they were so confused (and old as yes we know that some of them are) why the hell didnt they just say..HEY I CANT SEE WHERE I AM SUPPOSED TO punch out?..my gosh, these older folks are the ones who went to wars and built this country up-they must have SOME modecum of common sense left..well at least ENOUGH to ask about such things if there was any doubt. my gosh I wonder how much the US gov is going to have to spend to get this all sorted out. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Apex Year 2000: ~3400 votes for Buchanan in that district with new ballot Year 1996: ~2700 votes for Buchanan in that district with original ballot Last I heard, Al was behind by less than 1000. Assuming nothing has changed (a big if), those 700 votes are pretty important! And oblong, while I don't like making excuses for old people, you can see poorly and make a mistake. If they knew they were making a mistake, wouldn't they have said something? As for common sense, I think we see how little common sense a lot of people have on a daily basis. I commend you for having more. __________________ When you get to be 70 and living in Del Boca Vista, e-mail us and tell us if you still have that sharp wit and cat like relexes. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by ZenerDiode When you get to be 70 and living in Del Boca Vista, e-mail us and tell us if you still have that sharp wit and cat like relexes. "Where'd you get the Cadillac, Morty?" __________________ I personaly don't want someone who can't figure out how to punch one hole in a piece of paper to vote. I feel safer knowing they are being ignored. Besides the ballot was approved by the Democrats and Republicans. If they didn't like it they should have said something before the election. __________________ As much as I don't really want to see Bush win... and as much as I'd like those votes to swing Gore's way.. I think they have to stand as counted, without a revote or adjustment. I can see how someone could perhaps vote incorrectly on that ballot... it wasn't perfectly clear which hole to punch. But it was clear enough. It was not a misprint. It was not a rigged ballot. I hate the fact that it'll give Bush the presidency, but frankly, those people should have been paying closer attention - and if they weren't sure, they should have asked for help. Voting is a responsibility - not something you whip through so you can hit the bar. And perhaps this is the price we pay for not taking it seriously enough. I can sympathize with the people who voted wrong - but it doesn't change the fact that they voted wrong due to their own errors. Next time they'll pay attention, you can bet on that! They get four years of Bush as punishment, and the whole country will remind them of that. (Except for Bush voters who will thank them... which might be worse punishment!). Jase __________________ CNN is where the 2700/3400 was reported. BTW, the reform party in Orlando grew 110% from 1996 to 2000, for the other areas of Florida where it was compared, the reform party grew 38% on average. So, the growth actually does make good sense. You know who I'd hate to be right now? I'd hate to be the democrat who designed the Orlando ballot. Bummer, eh? __________________ Was watching CBS earlierand they declared Gore a winner and retracted it 15 min later now they are talking bout some 1% 3 precint bull**** in west plam beach or whatever bunch of stupidity why dont they get their facts straight b4 they say stupid **** __________________ Quote: Originally posted by evilcyclops Besides the ballot was approved by the Democrats and Republicans. If they didn't like it they should have said something before the election. I don't know. If you know what you're looking at, I'm sure it probably didn't seem like a problem. This kind of thing isn't restricted to politics. You see products all the time that are crystal clear to some customers, clear as mud to others. __________________ Democrats are a bunch of whiners trying to steal the election. Their going to drag this **** out for weeks. SOB'S! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Apex CNN is where the 2700/3400 was reported. BTW, the reform party in Orlando grew 110% from 1996 to 2000, for the other areas of Florida where it was compared, the reform party grew 38% on average. So, the growth actually does make good sense. You know who I'd hate to be right now? I'd hate to be the democrat who designed the Orlando ballot. Bummer, eh? I've been all over CNN's site, cant find this info. Would you grace us with a link? __________________ Point 1: The ballot was posted in the newspaper ahead of time so voters could get their questions out of the way. Point 2. The ballot was not only approved by the democrats, IT WAS DESIGNED by a democrat. Personally, I don't think people who are too dumb to operate a card and a hole puncher should be voting in the first place, and the fact that they were trying to vote for gore or buchanon speaks clearly of that fact... __________________ Television (which has been on like 35 of the last 48 hours). Man, my eyes are like little television tubes now. __________________ Watching CNN just now...apparently the ballot might not even be LEGAL! This is just the news guys talking so take it with a grain of salt. Apparently, there is a statute that REQUIRES the top 2 candidates to be first and ALL candidates to be listed on the LEFT and the vote box on the right. If indeed this statute is read correctly, it will be a moot point as to whether the ballot was confusing or whether it was approved by Dems or not...it was plain illegal. I like the solution CNN analysts offerred. If indeed the ballot is illegal, the counties affected should have a Re-Vote with ONLY the people who voted originally. This would prevent all the Democrats who were too lazy to vote in the first place from affecting the outcome. Also they (CNN) says the notion of "one chance, one vote" is completely wrong. What is important is the will of the people. In any event, I hope Bush wins convincingly. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gwilks98 Point 1: The ballot was posted in the newspaper ahead of time so voters could get their questions out of the way. Point 2. The ballot was not only approved by the democrats, IT WAS DESIGNED by a democrat. Personally, I don't think people who are too dumb to operate a card and a hole puncher should be voting in the first place, and the fact that they were trying to vote for gore or buchanon speaks clearly of that fact... hmmm........ why do i get the feeling that you are a republician ??? which explains the reason that you are so quick to overgeneralize and make such a blanket statement against everyone who isnt in your group i personally am not a republician but i do not have anything against them they just do ont support my ideals but i still respect thiers beliefs and their right to fair and accurate representation __________________ hahaha...republican-no It's worse...I'm a catholic. The reason why I'm so pissed at the democrats is that this election, they've whined, bitched, moaned, and cheated the system to gain political power. This is EXACTLY what the founding fathers wanted to avoid. They saw what had happened in the parliament in England, and they wanted to Outlaw polictical parties. But the idea was challenged that it was against freedom to assemble, (which is what they were fighting for) so they permitted political parties. Now look what has happened? The only way to gain a spot in politics is to have a truckload of money and kiss someone's ass like it's ice cream. Is this "fair and accurate representation?" __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Quote: Originally posted by ZenerDiode When you get to be 70 and living in Del Boca Vista, e-mail us and tell us if you still have that sharp wit and cat like relexes. "Where'd you get the Cadillac, Morty?" Penny that was THE MOST HYSTERICAL THING I've heard in ages..lol..nothing like a seinfeld reference to lighten the load. __________________ "Democrats are a bunch of whiners trying to steal the election. Their going to drag this **** out for weeks. SOB'S!" When your candidate wins the popular vote, THEN you can whine about the opposition trying to "steal the election". Until then neither of these bozos is clearly entitled to it. Bush may win the electoral college... but since he got fewer votes, you could technically say HE stole the election. Regardless, whoever wins the electoral college IS the president. I won't argue that, even if (and it most likely will be) it's Bush. But with one winning the popular, and one winning the electoral, any whining by either side is pretty well understandable. Jase __________________ the media just can't stand eating crow and R hyping this way up. not that florida isn't well gnown for its 'issues' with ballots and polling irregularities. They could go on for months 'discovering' ballots down there, and that is why it will go to the House of Representatives __________________ well i do agree that the democrats in the spotlight the few that are there are whiners but you still can not make a blanket statement like that it the same as saying taht republicans are all klansmen as someone stated b4 both are completly inncorrect you cannot overgeneralize like that about nythnign __________________ Quote: Originally posted by jase71 Regardless, whoever wins the electoral college IS the president. I won't argue that, even if (and it most likely will be) it's Bush. But with one winning the popular, and one winning the electoral, any whining by either side is pretty well understandable. Jase Both candidates campaigned knowing full well which states they wanted. How many visits did either candidate make to Montana. As long as the candidates "whine and dine" the big city states and blow off the small states, the electoral college will remain in effect. You can see this by the distribution of Gore/Bush supporters. Didn't it seem odd that Gore "lit up" the East coast like a Roman candle with Cali sticking out like a sore thumb. Bush all over the center of the country. Simply put, Bush appealed to more rural people, Gore appealed to more inner city people. If you look at their campaign stops and their speeches it all makes sense. Personally I think the electoral college is stupid. It encourages candidates to visit a state "as many times as necessary to win". What kind of public service is that? Mavi forum

Other e-stores closing!

On page 98 of the latest issue of GROK magazine, Focus on Retail, December/January issue (published by the Industry Standard, an Internet Economy magazine), they published a list of E-tailers that are on their last leg. Just wanted to post this so people who have gift certificates or coupons can use them before its too late (I feel for all those who lost their $50 Eve.com GCs). It's not definite that they will shut down, but it doesn't look good... Beyond.com: Their stock is only $2, down from $40 PlanetRX.com: They have less than 2 quarters with of cash left Outpost.com: Only has enough capital to last til the end of 2001 Pets.com: OOPS... too late. Bluefly.com: Has less than 1 quarter's worth of cash as of July, is extending credit to take it through the end of 2000 CDNOw.com: Less than 1 quarter's worth of cash and has shareholder's lawsuits Egghead.com: Only has 6 months' worth of cash left Got this post from another site. __________________ oh man...out all the online stores, I like Outpost.com the best and now they might go under? That is not good... Why do all the good stores go under? __________________ Bluefly.com i believe has already gone under! I have stocks in outpost, beyond and egghead! Dang I should run those companies! I bet the overnight delievery for OutPost is killing them! __________________ I getta buy lots of CDR before outpost.com close. __________________ what's GROK magazine? I never heard of them __________________ Grok magazine is the bi-monthly special issues of Industry Standard, which itself is a weekly magazine... Beyond.com has changed its focus on the B2B market, so it's retail store is no longer their primary focus. CDNow.com has been bought out by Bertelsmann which also owns a majority share in Barnesandnoble.com in addition to owning Lycos, Tripod, DealTime, BOL.com, numerous magazines, BMG, Arista, RCA, the TV Stations RTL and Channel 5 in Europe. They also went into a controversial deal with Napster... So I don't think CDNow is any longer in danger, although their marketing strategy could change significantly. __________________ That's too bad. Beyond.com, bluefly, and egghead are no big loss, but the others are disturbing. No deals from beyond.com in a LONG time, bluefly never really gave me any deals, and egghead rarely honored good deals anyway. On the other hand though, PlanetRx bought me over 120,000 clickrewards miles during their promo last year ($2000 worth of free digicams). Pets.com has been feeding my cat for free for a long time (and my cat eats a lot). CDNow has been a good source of cheap CDs, and Outpost.com sold me two big heavy 1500VA UPSes (shipped overnight free) for $99 each. Those stores will be missed. Nack __________________ Speaking of Pets.com, has anyone seen any $10 off $10 codes lately? I actually had to BUY cat food last week. Mavi forum

Favorite Wrasslin bout

My recent favorite matches are Y2J vs Juventud Guerrera, and Y2J vs Prince MakiMaki. Both of those fueds were classics __________________ The Tag Team Ladder/Table match with the Dudley Boys and Hardy Boys was insane!! __________________ I like Some of the old classics when Jake the Snake Roberts would pull out his python on Andrea the Giant. Wrestle Mania 3?? LOL! Man o man. Mavi forum

Getting Personal

http://dailynews.yahoo.com/h/ap/2000...h_drama_4.html By SANDRA SOBIERAJ, Associated Press Writer NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - Al Gore (news - web sites) set aside the stoic valedictory written for him by an aide and picked up the phone. George W. Bush did not take his call happily. ``You don't have to get snippy about this,'' Gore spat. The acid of their yearlong fight - character assaults and name-calling, layered onto the Clinton-Gore defeat of Bush's father in 1992 - boiled over as Gore, in an underground office at the War Memorial, insisted that Florida's decisive 25 electoral votes remained in limbo. ``Let me make sure I understand,'' protested Bush, his victory speech in hand. ``You're calling me back to retract your concession?'' Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, chastened on Election Night when it appeared Bush had lost the state, had just assured his brother it was a done deal. And the TV networks had already declared Texas Gov. George W. Bush the 43rd president of the United States. ``Let me explain something,'' Gore lectured in a stony tone, ``your YOUNGER brother is not the ultimate authority on this.'' The conversation, quoted to The Associated Press by two of the 20 or so people in the room with Gore and confirmed by a Bush aide, ended abruptly. ~~~ To quote notable citizens: Can't we all just get along? (0; __________________ Well, we all know premature ejaculation will ruin a relationship...especially if it happens twice. Mavi forum

For the asking.....

__________________ WHat does CIP stand for? Ingrown Cancerous Prostate?? Ingenious Comical Pandas? Inbreeding Canable Politicians?? __________________ uhh so whats for the asking? if you ask me, ICP sucks. Happy - ICP stands for Insane Clown Posse __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Tuvi uhh so whats for the asking? if you ask me, ICP sucks. Word to that. Almost as moronic as Limp Bizkit or, worse, the Bloodhound Gang. how these guys got record deals is way, way beyond me. __________________ Bloodhound Gang? I wouldn''t really place them in the same **** can as ICP or Limp. Now, I don't normally listen to hip hop, but BHG and teh Beastie Boys are alot alike. BHG tends to be a little more blunt and crude, but all in all, they have some very entertaining stuff. I may be partial since the goons graduated from my high school. I still think there is definately some talent in there somewhere. ICP, Limp, Jay-z, now, that's crap. It's basically either screaming or grunting over a loop of a classic song. Just my opinion. Blu __________________ Quote: Originally posted by TheBluGuy ICP, Limp, Jay-z, now, that's crap. It's basically either screaming or grunting over a loop of a classic song. Just my opinion. Blu mine too. i can't stand the reuse of old songs that has now become so common. get some creativity! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Tuvi Quote: Originally posted by TheBluGuy ICP, Limp, Jay-z, now, that's crap. It's basically either screaming or grunting over a loop of a classic song. Just my opinion. Blu mine too. i can't stand the reuse of old songs that has now become so common. get some creativity! Yeah, I seem to remember a band named Anthrax who did that rap-metal stuff 10 years ago. They had a cult following for awhile, but most people thought they were really wierd and wrote em off. Go figure PS - Anyone remember the episode of Married With Children when Anthrax comes to play at Kelly's B-Day? Great episode. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by TheBluGuy Bloodhound Gang? I wouldn''t really place them in the same **** can as ICP or Limp. Now, I don't normally listen to hip hop, but BHG and teh Beastie Boys are alot alike. BHG tends to be a little more blunt and crude, but all in all, they have some very entertaining stuff. I may be partial since the goons graduated from my high school. I still think there is definately some talent in there somewhere. ICP, Limp, Jay-z, now, that's crap. It's basically either screaming or grunting over a loop of a classic song. Just my opinion. Blu Apparently, you didn't hear their first album... Hey, I kinda like Jay-Z. If you're going to go with booty-wack rap, I'd rather take him than some of the other ridiculous punks out there! __________________ yeah i knew what it stod for i was just messing cause cant stand them as far as limp and BHG go i like maybe three songs by each and thats as far aas it goes casue they basically suck they have lots of talent but they chose not to use it Mavi forum

If U could select a Vice-President, who would it be?

Take the scenario where the VP~elect is incapacitated or has a big scandal[Spiro Anyone?] before the Inaugaration. Who do you think would be the most appropriate person to fill that spot who would not appear over~partisan to either side? :0) __________________ You! __________________ [blushes]Well, aside from me[/blushes] __________________ hey, I second that vote. __________________ Me, myself, and I.... __________________ Mr. T. I pity the fool... __________________ Jessie Ventura __________________ Forrest Gump. __________________ Cameron Diaz and the rest of the Charlie's Angels can be in my Cabinet... __________________ ...is that keeping Dick Cheney as VP will typecast him as Right-wing and lose him the popular support he most desperately needs. Colin Powell, on the other hand... __________________ yeah.... Like Cheney will go for that. He spent the past 4 months playing GW's bitch and I'm sure he won't just let himself be kicked to the curb. Think of how much he lost in stock options. I predict they fight over this and then they kill each other and then Condaleeza Rice takes over as President. Mavi forum

Best Buy free shipping??

Has anyone ordered dvd's from Best buy.com with the free shipping? If so, how long did it take to receive your order? I ordered the Patriot last Monday and haven't received it yet. It was shipped standard USPS. Mavi forum

News Status

Newspro appears to be broken, so no news till someone fixes that - all news is gone, and I can't post anything else. Hence, the blank page. __________________ So thats your excuse huh? And your going to stick by that story? What happened in the old days when there was no newspro to get the news from? {warbles out} I see a blank news page and I want to fill it up. __________________ personally, I blame republican hackers. __________________ democrat hackers are too dumb to hack anything. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by LPM Newspro appears to be broken, so no news till someone fixes that - all news is gone, and I can't post anything else. Hence, the blank page. And here I was thinking we had switched to Zen news Mavi forum

Election Chaos!

I love it. 2:30AM PST and nothing is resolved. Bet you people in FL who didn't vote are kicking yourselves square in the ass right about now. Some of these newscasters are getting damn funny after being kept awake until the next morning of the election. One of the CNN anchors just said "Florida is where everything is screwed up right now." It seems so wrong that the election is going to be decided by the same number of people that attend the average minor league baseball game. Recount, baby. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Dodge This It seems so wrong that the election is going to be decided by the same number of people that attend the average minor league baseball game. Recount, baby. hehe, now who was it that said,"Your Vote Counts!" ;0) __________________ it's not so much as everyone's vote counts, but more of a "if you live in an electoral vote wealthy" state, your vote counts. I feel bad for most of the midwestern states. They really don't get paid too much attention to when it comes to politics. I guess that's the one benefit to living in California/Florida/Texas/New York. :-) __________________ Well, hopefully, this galvanizes the populace to participate more in the next election. The downside (aside from the obvious if Drunky McDrive wins ) is that whoever wins is going to have basically no approval rating. How do you run a country when less than 50% of the people you're governing disagree? Defensive politics for the next two years, at least. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Well, hopefully, this galvanizes the populace to participate more in the next election. The downside (aside from the obvious if Drunky McDrive wins ) is that whoever wins is going to have basically no approval rating. How do you run a country when less than 50% of the people you're governing disagree? Defensive politics for the next two years, at least. U invite the losing candidate to join U in a bipartisan administration, that's how DCI AL G ;0) __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gwilks98 it's not so much as everyone's vote counts, but more of a "if you live in an electoral vote wealthy" state, your vote counts. I feel bad for most of the midwestern states. They really don't get paid too much attention to when it comes to politics. I guess that's the one benefit to living in California/Florida/Texas/New York. :-) It's not just the big states necessarily . . . although it usually is when the race isn't this close, but in this race . . . even if New Hampshire (The lone bastion of Republican support in the entire Northeast) had gone Democratic and Oregon goes Democratic, then Gore would win and Florida would be irrelevant. There are a ton of other similar combinations . . . Gore is only 10 EV's away . . . there are so many different ways it could have broke . . . it's depressing to think about it. __________________ "How do you run a country when less than 50% of the people you're governing disagree?" Ask Bill Clinton. It happened to him twice. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by sbp "How do you run a country when less than 50% of the people you're governing disagree?" Ask Bill Clinton. It happened to him twice. And it sure wasn't pretty __________________ It sure ain't. __________________ The interesting thing for me is did the early calling of Florida affect Western voting. I posted that message about Florida yesterday at, what, 5 something o'clock? Did that prompt more Bush supporters to get out and vote, or did it change to votes of frontrunners? I don't know if there's a way to tell, but it'd be interesting...somewhere like Oregon or Washington, because California was done like dinner... __________________ shows dem networks they shouldn't sqwack before the last rooster is in... __________________ Yeah, that was completely irresponsible on the part of the news stations. Mavi forum

WebTraffic and Election Day!

MSNBC CNN CBSNEWS ABC FOXNEWS All of those dot.coms are reporting record hits this evening/morning, MSNBC a muscle head in hardware on the front page states the personalized pages have been switched to NBCi servers, I find this incredible on a day that 1/3 of the nation votes. In 1996 I couldn't vote, but still watched (TV), Today web results are high quality and up to the minute, almost, I can't wait for the day when we vote on the web and the electoral college is gone!!! __________________ Thank god, I am not an administrator for one of those sites. I will cherish my sleep tonight... Mavi forum

Java irc for u lazy ppl...

ok... i figured that u guys were just too damned lazy, so i "made" a java irc so u can connect quickly to it... hopefully apex would put a link on the site somewhere.. its always spigs, y2j and me on there.......oh yeah...and sometimes paladin.. so here is the temp link for the chat, hope to see u there JAVA IRC HERE if u do decide to use an irc client, connect to a dal net server and join #got|apex? thx l8erz [Edited by K2 on 11-08-2000 at 04:52 PM] __________________ yup yup, come one, come all to the gotapex chat room! __________________ Us three are also the only ones actually posting on this topic as well __________________ LOL...so true... what u ppl too lazy to click on a link too??.. __________________ eh what the hay i'll give it a try __________________ Post # 600. Almost there on the triviaBot __________________ heh... YEAH!!...the trivia bot....c'mon peeps.. there is a good trivia bot there.. it gives out BEER!!! try to make it to the top 10...or beat me and spigs in trivia!! its really addicting..trust me...ask spigs for urself __________________ Beat you and spigs in trivia? If I had 10 free hours every day to memorize answers I would __________________ thats spigs... i still have school you know... __________________ yay...about 5 more ppl came in already... there's gotta be more.. there are 3910 peeps registered... is there really 3901 of u that lazy? __________________ *sigh*... u ppl are lazy at clicking a link... *K2 thinks he has lost all hope in got|apex? people* __________________ some people do have work to do __________________ at night?? __________________ ok... if ur comin into the irc, u can't expect us to be starring at our screens and waiting for u to come.. if ur comming then stay and idle for a while...don't just leave.. make fun of spigs if he isn't answering hehe __________________ I'll be in as soon as I get around to installing an ident client on my server. __________________ ^BUMPITY BUMP BUMP^ __________________ Bah, I keep getting autokilled =P __________________ ok, i'm there answering the trivia ques, but i am not getting credit for any of them! what is going on here? i answered like 5 and they gave credit to other people who answered after me. sheesh! __________________ that's called lagging __________________ hmm...lag.. my isp, telus, been having problems lately.. if apex would contact me, maybe he can put it on the apex server somewhere... and have a link..*hint* *hint* __________________ Quote: Originally posted by K2 ^BUMPITY BUMP BUMP^ just keepin the link alive __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Apex Bah, I keep getting autokilled =P Apex, what's the message you're getting? If you're using a nickname that's registered, the services will hunt you down, but this sounds different. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Ben_Williams Quote: Originally posted by Apex Bah, I keep getting autokilled =P Apex, what's the message you're getting? If you're using a nickname that's registered, the services will hunt you down, but this sounds different. yeah, i just check the nick. It is being used by a high status person..this is what it says: (%) /whois list for: apex (%) Address: enforcer@enforcer.dal.net (Internic Network) (%) Name: DALnet nick name enforcer (%) Server: services.dal.net, DALnet services home base (%) End of /whois list for: apex so..u might wanna consider Apex` or something else... __________________ who put this post down there.... __________________ Trivia is time consuming __________________ dammit...somebody put this post on page two... __________________ HEY, GET IN HERE!!! __________________ keep it going stron __________________ If you have time posting messages, then you must have time for a little chat with us! __________________ ^bumpity bump^ Mavi forum

Well, that was a big goddamn surprise...Gore wins Florida

Huh? Isn't that a traditional Republican stronghold? What next? Bush takes Maryland or something? __________________ ::breaths a sigh of relief:: Just get Pennsylvania, please lord let him get Pennsylvania. __________________ He got Pennsylvania, woohoo! Maine and Rhode Island also went. __________________ Its all about california __________________ hehe __________________ Bush sux __________________ he won florida??? they keep on saying it hasn't been decided yet! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by styleee he won florida??? they keep on saying it hasn't been decided yet! they first said florida was gore's but now they say its too close to call __________________ Quote: Originally posted by hapoo Quote: Originally posted by styleee he won florida??? they keep on saying it hasn't been decided yet! they first said florida was gore's but now they say its too close to call ah ha, that makes sense! __________________ First it was too close to call. Then they gave it to Gore. Then they took it back saying it was too close to call. Then they gave it to Bush and declared him President. Then they took it back and said it was too close to call again. Now they're saying it is just 224 votes to Bush's favor with about 5,000 votes left to count. Now they're saying Gore has the popular vote majority. So, the Electorial vote is still a toss-up depending on Florida. *sigh* It's been a long night. __________________ looks like bush wins florida by 200+ votes... damn this election is crazy... i'm about to move to florida to vote for bush... j/k __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Huh? Isn't that a traditional Republican stronghold? What next? Bush takes Maryland or something? It possibly could still be hehe. Especially since most absentee ballots are sent in by republicans. . . man. . . this is crazy. I wonder how much those newspapers that jump the gun and end up wrong could be worth on ebay? Hmmmmmm. . . where are my quarters? __________________ I'm so furious with the media... two mistakes in state deciding are absolutely unacceptable... they even fooled the candidates. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by pennypinch Huh? Isn't that a traditional Republican stronghold? What next? Bush takes Maryland or something? Its become more divided with all old retirees from the Northeast migrating down. __________________ How gettin' 'tough' on Crime Backfired for the democrats ~~~ How did Florida end up the epicenter of such an extraordinary political earthquake? It's easy enough to point to "the Nader factor," which already has liberals devouring each other alive in a feast of rage. But for the sake of their long-term prospects, Democrats might choose to look in a more productive direction: Florida's extraordinarily high rate of so-called "felony disenfranchisement" -- the lifelong barring of ex-offenders from voting. More than one-third of Florida's adult African-American males were legally prevented from participating in this week's election because of past contact with the state's criminal justice system. And one-third of the male members of an African-American community is a total utterly central to Gore's success. The irony, of course, is that Gore has been a prime mover of harsh criminal penalties for nonviolent drug offenders. So is his chief Florida patron and advisor, Attorney General Bob Butterworth, who was elected to office in 1988 by promising that the Sunshine State could "build the way" out of crime with harsher sentences and more prisons. ~~~ gee, something tells me the democrats will be screaming to reform felony disenfranchisement before the next election ;0) Mavi forum

And another one bites the dust- Mothernature.com

http://www2.marketwatch.com/news/sto...e=htx/http2_mw This really sucks __________________ Mavi forum

i don't really care who you voted for

i just want to know if you voted... and if you didn't, why? underage? felon? not a citizen? not registered? (shame on you!) other reasons? __________________ I feel they are going to pick whoever they want no matter who we vote for. Who says the votes cant be fixed, we arent there when they are totalling up all the votes. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk I feel they are going to pick whoever they want no matter who we vote for. Who says the votes cant be fixed, we arent there when they are totalling up all the votes. P.S. NEVER HAVE VOTED, NEVER WILL. __________________ WooHoo! (==-=->> I VOTED! <<-=-==) reasons: To excercise my right to vote. To show my support for the candidate I feel can best run the country. To get the little sticker that says "I Voted". __________________ I hear next election they'll have diffeerent pokemon characters to make the stubs more collectable :0) __________________ Quote: Originally posted by renots I hear next election they'll have diffeerent pokemon characters to make the stubs more collectable :0) you get to keep it?? we have to turn them in! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk P.S. NEVER HAVE VOTED, NEVER WILL. wow, you really let your brilliance shine through! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by styleee Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk P.S. NEVER HAVE VOTED, NEVER WILL. wow, you really let your brilliance shine through! Brilliance has nothing to do with whether or not a person votes. I choose not to vote for a number of reason, so that makes me not so brilliant....RIGHT __________________ Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk Quote: Originally posted by styleee Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk P.S. NEVER HAVE VOTED, NEVER WILL. wow, you really let your brilliance shine through! Brilliance has nothing to do with whether or not a person votes. I choose not to vote for a number of reason, so that makes me not so brilliant....RIGHT name a couple __________________ hehe... we all know gotmilk is just too lazy to go vote and then makes up stuff like "they're riggin the count" blah blah blah... J/K man Hey gotmilk, is your real name Matt W.? [Edit: I figure he'll reply anyways - plz don't flame for the "personal" post.] __________________ TO LAZY... __________________ Alot easier... do at your own leisure, and you get a cool punch ring to keep... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by styleee Quote: Originally posted by gotmilk I choose not to vote for a number of reason, so that makes me not so brilliant....RIGHT name a couple [/b] still waiting __________________ [quote]Originally posted by styleee Quote: Originally posted by styleee still waiting I've named a few throughout this thread and others. Is it wrong or something for me not to vote. Dont get me wrong, I am all for DEMOCRATS, I just dont ever see any difference with who becomes president, because they are so concerned about whats going on in ohter countries and spending our money there while we are getting further in debt. FLAME AWAY, if necessary. __________________ I think its dangerous to have uninformed/ignorant voters deciding our future. So to all the ignoramus' that did not vote and didnt bother to find out what is really going, I say 'thank you.' Oh yeah, and all you Nader voters suck. You gave W the election through your blindness. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by fakesurfers I think its dangerous to have uninformed/ignorant voters deciding our future. So to all the ignoramus' that did not vote and didnt bother to find out what is really going, I say 'thank you.' Oh yeah, and all you Nader voters suck. You gave W the election through your blindness. there were plenty of states that you could vote for Nader and not harm Gore's chances. (Gore won the northeast, and we knew that) but duh, people should have payed more attention to what was going on in their state! ah, whatever. i got 5 people to vote this year that wouldn't have, so i am happy. __________________ what was this post about again? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by RampWuerm what was this post about again? eh, no one ever answers my questions. i don't care. __________________ I'll answer..and YES I voted..for whom? well quite honestly that is personal..lets just say I voted for whom I thought was the LESSER of two evils..you feel free to insert any name in there you like..the reason I voted? I could be really DUMB and say I like those little booths with all the switches but the truth would simply be that its my right to vote(If I desire). No one twisted my arm, nor persuaded me with countless arguments over the he said/ he said issues..I watched the debates..read articles..reviewed policies and procedures and made my choice on who I thought was SINCERE. and that believe it or not is my boring answer. PS..does anyone know why some states use the electronic voting booths and some use actual paper ballots???? Mavi forum

Hypnotism Revisited

Hypnotism By Manly Palmer Hall HISTORICAL OUTLINE The study of hypnotic procedure must be divided into two parts: the first consisting of practical knowledge and technique, and the second the understanding of principles involved. Concerning the former, sufficient knowledge is available to meet a variety of needs and uses, but of the latter almost nothing is known. It is impossible to arrive at satisfactory conclusions about the nature of artificial sleep so long as natural sleep cannot be explained. The history of hypnotism is devoted almost exclusively to an account of the descent of methods, means, and results. It does not appear that any systematic investigation of causes has been attempted. In the consideration of the Ghost-Dance religion of the Plains Indians of America, which appears in the Bulletins of the Smithsonian Institute, James Mooney writes of the hypnotic processes used by the medicine men of the several tribes as follows: "The most important feature of the Ghost dance, and the secret of the trance is hypnotism. It has been assumed that hypnotic knowledge and ability belong only to an over-ripe civilization, such as that of India and ancient Egypt, or to the most modern period of scientific investigation. The fact is however that such things belong to people who live near to nature, and many of the stories told by reliable travelers of the strange peformances of savage shamens can be explained only on this theory. Numerous references in the work of the early Jesuit missionaries, of the Puritan writers of New England and the English explorers and the Fathers of the South would indicate that hypnotic ability was no less than sleight-of-hand dexterity formed part of the medicine-man's equipment from the St. Lawrence to the Gulf. It cannot be said that the Indian priest understood the phenomenon, for they ascribe to it a supernatural cause, but they know how to produce the effect, as I have witnessed many times." Dr. Mooney then gives a survey of hypnotic trances brought about for religious purposes, as these occur in the various sects of the world. He calls special attention to the pracices of the Dervishes and other Islamic groups. From his intersting acount the reader gains a valuable summary of the early history and development of hypnotic technique among ancient and primitive cultural systems. There is also abundant proof that trances induced by priests, or self-induced by ritual, song, dance and even entheogens played an important part in early medical practice. While it seems unwise to assume that hypnotism explains all the mysteries of ancient magic it certainly occupies an important position in the religious beliefs of most of the older races. It must also be pointed out that in ancient times hypnotic trances were frequently induced in order to release or emphasize prophetic powers. Of this phase of the subject almost nothing is known by the civilized nations of today. There are persistant accounts that while under some strange spell women and men, especially selected for some kind of sensitivity, did usually make prophetic utterances which proved true. Several explanations have been advanced to explain such instances of foreknowledge, but there is need for careful research before attempting any sweeping statements. We know so little about the woman who dwells in the body that it is presumptuous to draw conclusions about about her capacities or powers. The principles of hypnotism are known to have played an important part in magic, medicine, and religion since the beginning of historic time. Hindu yogins, African witch doctors, Tibetan Lamas, and American Indian medicine men shared this common knowledge of spells and enchantments. The political spellbinder, the camp meeting evangelist and the supersaleman of the modern world[Bill Clinton Anyone?] achieve their ends through the exercise of subtle principles of influence substantially hypnotic. The great Swiss physician, Paracelsus von Hohenheim, recognized the existence of a sympathetic fluid that he called the mumia which he controlled by the imagination, and by the aid of which he claimed the ability to transplant disease from animals and plants and from one human being to another. Paracelsus also wrote learnedly on the subject of fascination claiming to have been instructed in the mysteries of magnetic fluids and essences by the physicians of Constantinople. The distinguished Belgian savant Jan Baptista van Helmont, the discoverer of illuminating gas, experimented with an invisible perspiration or sidereal effluvium by means of which mental influence could be communicated from physician to patient. Like many of the intellectuals of his day van Helmont was convinced that thought could be projected as a means of healing disease and reforming the delinquencies common to human character. During the 16th and 17th centuries the custom of 'touching' for the king's evil seems to have its ground and substance in the principle of suggestive therapy. The power to heal was still regarded as part of the divine right of kings. King James I of England was especially successful in 'touching' for scrofula. The number requiring this help was so great that 'touch-coins' came into fashion. His majesty 'touched' the coin and this could bepassed on indefinately without diminishing its virtue. There are coins treasured in Scotch families to this day which were 'touched' three hundred years ago, and are preferred above the modern physician and his remedies. These coins must be considered as catalizers or autohypnotic agents. Scientifically created somnambulism was known to the Greeks and to the Eqyptians. The Delphic pythones was said to have been enchanted by the fumes rising from the chimney-like volcanic vent which was beneath the tripod upon which she sat during the interrogation. The Druids of Britain and Gaul had herbs of magical power which could cause visions, and the Incas of Peru fashioned magic mirrors from the black volcanic glass found in their country. There is a report that early Christian communities drugged the communion cup to cause ectasies and trances. Anton Mesmer, the father of modern mesmerism , is said to have been instructed in this secret art by the mysterious adept Compte de St.-Germain. a committee of distinguished savants, including Benjamin Franklin, inspected Mesmer's famous tub, but came to no general agreement. The presence of magnetic fluid is doubted, but the cures that Mesmer effected were acknowledged without reservation. Strictly speaking Mesmerism differs in theory from hypnotism, but in the popular mind the two terms are generally confused. Cagliostro, referred to by his enthusiastic followers as "the Divine", a contemporary of Mesmer, also made use of this somnambulistic art. His subject usually was a small boy who, while in an artificial trance, predicted future events by gazing into a basin of water. In ancient and medieval times the practice of using some bright, reflecting surface for inducing the trance state already had been recognized as necessary. In the year 1841 James Braid, a successful American surgeon, carried on extensive research in magnetic suggestion and named the strange art hypnotism from the Greek word meaning sleep. Dr. Braid's work was based upon the corpus of earlier belief and method, but his presentation of the old doctrine was untimely. A new religious belief, itself as old as time, was intriguing the curious-minded. This belief was spiritualism which made use of trances for the avowed purpose of communcating with the dead. The spiritualists had stirred up a hornet's nest in the scientific and religious world. Unfortunately for some years hypnotism and spiritualism were linked together by the popular mind. Scientific phenomena in general offended the 19th-century scientists. It also outraged the contemporary clergy. The intellectuals, following the pattern described by Voltaira, settled down to the learned procedure of hurling three-legged stools at each other's heads. In the midst of this already complicated situation an outstanding savant of the day, Mosieur Charcot, announced that only negative, neurotic, and hysterical persons could be hypnotized. This insulted everybody. Charcot was a professor at Salpetriere, and his opinions were regarded as scriptural by all who opposed the new art. By the middle of the 19th century the confusion was worse confounded by the appearance of the theatrical hypnotist. Some of the professors may have possessed genuine abilities and were able to capitalize the prevailing anxieties. But the majority resorted to various deceits to entertain and amaze the ever gullible public. Serious investigators have been hard hit put to remedy the damage caused by the svengali~like gentlemen who hit upon such splendid practices as exhibiting a hypnotized subject for 3 days in the front window of a local drugstore. As a result of such practices hypnotism came to be regarded as a synonym for some embarrassing, ludicrous or even vicious situation during which an audience enjoyed the ridiculous antics of some person under compulsion. In continental europe, hypnotism began to occupy a dignified position and interested serious investigators during the closing years of the 10th century. The german mind, always inclined to statistical research, compiled elaborate records of case histories and other related data. Most of the european pioneers in psychology and psychiatry gave consideration to the subject. It was set back somewhat, however, by the adverse opinions of Sigmund Freud, whose experimentations led finally to rather negative conclusions. It should be remembered that Dr Freud was functioning from a very definite pattern of opinions and these exercised a strong influence upon his findings. About this same time the viennese psychologists did considerable work along the lines of hypnotic therapy. In conservative england hypnotism found little favor among the learned until after the turn of the century. In the period following the 1st world war learned journals from germany, switzerland, and austria flowed into this country and contained lengthy articles on hypnotism and favored phases of extrasensory perception. These exhaustive, and for the most part exhausting treatises, studies, and reports generally found their way into the waste baskets of the American academicians. Some of these learned gentlemen have since regretted their lack of interest as they watched the thorough conditoning of the european mind and the arise of autosuggestion as an instrument of political and military aggression. The gradual inclusion of psychology and psychiatry among the exact sciences has revived interest in hypnotic technique. While it is not completely true that the psychologists and psychiatrists and psychotherapists have found common agreement on the subjects of hypnotic diagnosis and therapy, they are definite as to its possibilities. This sensitivity has been further stimulated by researches in psychosomatics. But some of the old prejudices remain, survivals of the Victorian era when orthodoxy was a peculiar virtue in both religion and science. The scientific man hesitates to align himself with a subject which has received so much adverse publicity. He fears that it will gravitate against his community standing and the dignity of his profession. In spite of our boasted progress, man is naturally superstitious and fears what he can not understand. Lack of the gnowledge of theory is here particularly unfortunate. Little has been done to correct in the public mind the superstitions which have always hampered the progress of the hypnotic and mesmeric arts. These superstitions restate in the 20th century the prejudices of earlier times. In view of present trends, however,it is safe to predict that before the end of the present century hypnotism will free itself from its unsavory association and will be accepted as one of the most useful of the remedial sciences. The 2nd world war has emphasized the need for an improved type of therapy for the treatment of neuroses and other types of psychic scar tissue. Millions of human beings have been seriously damaged internally by the circumstances through which they have passed. Each of these in turn will damage others unless a proper remedy is found. It is, therefore, vital for the survival of our civilization that suitable techniques for the correction of psychic stress shall be perfected and applied as widely as possible. __________________ Gore Said Using Advanced Mind-Control Techniques (NLP) In Campaign Here is the realaudio __________________ There is a very definite prejudice in the popular mind against the use of hypnotism for scientific purposes. This prejudice has arisen from a general misunderstanding of the principles employed in producing hypnosis, and the results obtained.[list=1][*]There is a popular belief among religious, metaphysical, and occult organizations that hypnosis has a detrimental effect upon the superphysical bodies of man, but as Dr Braid pointed out nearly a century ago, hypnosis is a state of nervous sleep accomplished by natural and nonoccult means. There is no proof that hypnosis ever interferes with spiritual, intellectual, or emotional development of the individual[aside from, say, MassMedia], but there is abundant evidence that has assisted this development as a therapeutic agent. [*]There is a belief that a hypnotized person is connected in some psychic way with the hypnotist and is never able to sever this connection. It is presumed then that the hypnotist can cause the subject to obey his instructions from a distance or at some later time, possibly to the subject's detriment. These beliefs have been exploited widely by fiction writers, but research does not uphold the conclusions[except for MCs]. Hypnotic influence wears off in a short time. There is no evidence that that any permanent contact is established by hypnotism, and there is no proof that a hypnotist can exploit the weakness of his subject by hypnotic control unless the experiments are carried to a ridiculous extreme[like tv. [*]The theory has been advanced that a person once hypnotized is from that time on easily subjected to further hypnotic influence, possibly without hur knowledge or consent. Experiments have proved that such susceptibility is of extremely short duration. After the interval of a few months, re-hypnotism by the same operator is in no way less difficult than at the 1st attempt[unless Ur really GOOD at it like Bill]. Hypnotic control does not work from a distance and no person can be hypnotized without hur own gnowledge and consent[like slouchin' in front of the tv fer hours on end]. An initial hypnosis does not weaken the mind or will nor make subsequent hypnosis automatic or involuntary. [*]It has been rumored that a person once hypnotized remains sensitive to the suggestions of the hynotist until the death of the operator. This belief also belongs to the superstitions of the subject. The suggestive therapist has much more to do than to sit around concentrating on some patients ~ even if he could. Any possible sympathetic relationship between the hypnotist and his subject gradually fades out, ceasing entirely within a few months. The only way to re-establish this influence is for the patient to be once more hypnotized with his own fre will and consent. The subject, therefore, is protected by the laws of nature over which even the most proficient hynotist has no influence. [*]There is a conceit to the effect that susceptibility to hypnotism is the evidence of a weak or negative mind. We frequently hear the well~worn phrase: "Oh, no one can hypnotize me." This is accompanied by a look of superiority and a squaring off against the intangible enemy. Research proves that from 85% to 95% of people can be hypnotized to some degree, and statistics usually include the one who gnows it could not happen to hur. Persons of normal mentality hypnotize the most easily. The scatterbrained, disorganized individual[;0)] is the most difficult. Very positive persons[:0)] are also dificult because they will not co~operate with the hypnotist Those suffering from certain mental disorders[8*$] do not respond to hypotic influence. There is a mystery about the 10% of normal persons who cannot be hypnotized. They must be included with that minority which always reacts in opposition to normal expectancy. This group is to be found in every form of therapy. The remedies which help everyone else make them worse. [*]The popular belief that the hypnotist accomplishes his end by overwhelming the will of the subject or by insinuating himself into the psychic organism of his subject is also untrue. Hypnotism is not a conflict of wills in which the stronger comes off victorious, nor is it a battle of wits, nor is the personal equation of the hypnotist necessary. Hypnotism can be performed by mechanical means without an operator being present This statement cannot be disproved. For example, a person can hypnotize hurself by looking into a mirror, especially if a light is placed on each side of the mirror. If there is any etheric depletion in this case, she depletes hurself. Again, a person can be hypnotized by a mechanical device consisting of discs rotating in opposite directions, usually with lights attached. No operator needs to be present[tv]. It is inconceivable that the discs can exercise any will power, and hypnotism is reduced to its factual elements. The simplest form of hypnosis is induced by tiring the eyes resulting in a peculiar state of eyestrain which induces sleep. One method is to place an object above the level of normal vision. If the subject looks upon this object for several minutes she will be inclined to pass into light hypnosis. There need be no mental effort on the part of the hypnotist, nor any desire on his part to control the other person. [*]The delusion of the hypnotic eye also should be mentioned. Some of the best scientific hypnotists have neither the beetling browa nor the deep set mysterious eyes romantically ascribed to them. A very famous scientific hypnotist is a short, rotund person with mild, watery blue eyes behind spectacles. Professional operators effect hypnosis by having the subject concentrate hur attention on some object like a pendulum placed in motion. Hypnosis also can be induced by means of a short stick ending in a glass or metallic knob which is moved rhythmically before the eyes, or by looking intently at some object which reflects light. By this it is demonstrated that hypnotism is purely mechanical, requiring no metaphysical effort on the part of the hypnotist. [*]Another misconception is the widespread belief that a hypnotist can cause hur subject to commit some improper action while under hypnotic trance. Of this Dr Victor Vogel writes: "If a hypnotized person is asked to act in violation of hur moral code or conscience, she will refuse or awaken, consequently the legal defense of acting under hypnotic influence is invalid." Thus another excuse for human weakness is removed. A person who will commit a crime under hypnotic influence would have commited the same crime without hypnotic influence if she were so inclined[MCs aside] [*]The question has been asked as to what would happen to a person who was hypnotized if something should happen to the hypnotist preventing hur from removing hur influence. Would the patient remain unconscious indefinitely? The answer is "No." Hypnosis gradually changes into natural sleep without intervention on the part of the hypnotist. The subject will awaken, sometimes in a few minutes, or when under deeper hypnosis, in a few hours. It is also true that a hypnotized person can be awakened by another hypnotist. [*]Most of the reports of hypnotic malpractice which have gained some circulation originate in autosuggestion. The hypnotized person permits hur imagination to create a false situation. The simplest solution to this difficulty is the education of the public mind in the true theory and practice of hypnotic influence. Imagination runs riot only when facts are not readily available. If the subject gives hurself over to unreasonable fears and doubts she can convince hur own mind that she is the victim of some malicious occult force. This is one of the common devices by which the neurotic seeks to evade personal responsibility for hur own conditon[/list=1 Mavi forum