If Janet Reno hasn't sickened you enough already...

Got this off salon: Reno Blocks Palestinian's Release in Florida Updated 12:21 PM ET December 12, 2000 BRADENTON, Fla. (Reuters) - U.S. Attorney General Janet Reno blocked on Tuesday the release of a Palestinian man who has been jailed in Florida for more than three years on secret evidence alleging he is a terrorist, immigration officials said. Mazen Al-Najjar's wife, three children, relatives and friends had gone to the U.S. Immigration and Naturalization Service (INS) detention center in Bradenton on Tuesday morning with an $8,000 check and were waiting to post his bail when Reno issued the order blocking his release. No charges have ever been filed against Al-Najjar. Immigration Judge R. Kevin McHugh had ordered Al-Najjar's release on Dec. 6, but an INS appeal board issued a stay the same day. The panel lifted its stay on Monday and Al-Najjar's release was set for Tuesday. Reno's order remains in effect at least until Friday. "We're very disappointed. They've been fighting this every step of the way," said Sami Al-Arian, Al-Najjar's brother-in-law. Al-Najjar, 43, has been jailed since May 1997. He was teaching Arabic at the University of South Florida in Tampa when his visa expired in 1997. He was ordered deported, then jailed without being charge after INS attorneys presented secret evidence to McHugh which they said proved Al-Najjar had ties to the Syrian-based Palestinian Islamic Jihad. In addition to the secret evidence, the INS has cited Al-Najjar's membership in the World and Islamic Studies Enterprise, a Tampa think tank. Another member of that group became head of the Palestinian Islamic Jihad in 1995. Al-Najjar has denied having any involvement with terrorists and his case has been championed by civil rights groups. McHugh has said previously the evidence presented in public did not prove the INS' charges. Last week, he said Al-Najjar should be freed on bail because the summary of the secret evidence given to Al-Najjar by the INS was insufficient to let him defend himself. Al-Najjar and his wife, who is also Palestinian, came to the United States 20 years ago from the Gaza Strip, which was then under Israeli occupation but is now part of the territory controlled by the Palestinian Authority. Their three children were born in the United States. Even if Al-Najjar is freed, he and wife face deportation hearings but they said they have no country to go to. __________________ What Janet is saying, in so many words, is: "We're just going to keep you in jail because we feel like it, and we can. We haven't brought you to trial or even charged you in the three years we've kept you in prison. Hell, we haven't even told you what you've done wrong. We haven't shown you, anyone that could help you, or anyone not involved in our operation against you, for that matter, that we have strong evidence against you. But we'll just keep you in the ol' lock-me-up anyway because we think its best and since you might know some people who might be involved in one of these groups, we guess no one here is really going to give a ****." What do they mean, "had ties to the Islamic Jihad?" If he were a member (is this even a crime, anyway?), they'd have said that instead. Sounds like he isn't a member, but knows someone who is. Sounds to me like they won't charge him because they can't, because he's done nothing wrong. Sounds to me like the only reason to keep him in prison is to find out what he knows, out of the public eye. And I hope you know what that means. Who said "Judge a society by how it treats its prisoners?" I forget at the moment, but those words ring true. I'll see you in Hell, Janet. __________________ ...Heil Janet! /Me thinks Janet will be on a plane out of this country by Jan 20 to somewhere without an extradition treaty... __________________ http://www.ilovebacon.com/noway/051700.shtml __________________ Mavi forum

u make me sick...

u ppl complain too much about the weather being cold... yesterday it was -30 celsius....that makes it around -14 to -16 F!!!!! be happy that u have -3 F weather u could be here having your fingers frozen off...........damn there goes my last pinky finger..doh __________________ who's complaining? __________________ Is that with wind chill? I know my mom in IL (remember the cold spell that hit CA? Yeah that was her!), says with wind chill, it is -30 at home... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by chosenfool none is as cold as the winter in my heart... awww..... come into IRC... we can warm you up hehe __________________ Man, it's freezing here in San Diego. I think it gets down to 50 Degrees F!!!! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Leon Man, it's freezing here in San Diego. I think it gets down to 50 Degrees F!!!! fklasjdhflauihk,nbzsdoifu......damn u!!!! Quote: Originally posted by crabbie Is that with wind chill? I know my mom in IL (remember the cold spell that hit CA? Yeah that was her!), says with wind chill, it is -30 at home... with out windchill i think... __________________ -36 F here right now without wind chill __________________ damn happy squirrel... where are you? my brother lives in ND and the windchill there was -51 yesterday. __________________ ...but were it not 4 Ur tender~embrace the Hooded one would have embraced... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ...for ever Ur Eternal S... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel -36 F here right now without wind chill finally someone who understands coldness.. __________________ Today sucks, when it is hard to breath cause the wind goes right down your throat, it means finals should be canceled! Yesterday the wind was worse, I'd have to say -40° F __________________ i never thought of NYC as a warm place to live, but i guess it is. last night on the news the weather guy said it has been about 8degrees below normal this month, but it still isn't that bad. although, today the wind was WICKED, it blew the siding off a building on my way to work __________________ before today it was 70 degrees F here small price to pay for the 110 degree F summers __________________ bay area has been perfect, i have only needed a jacket when it is raining to keep me dry. it just doesnt get that cold here. __________________ I live in Wisconsin. Cold and boring. I win. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by K2 Quote: Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel -36 F here right now without wind chill finally someone who understands coldness.. Bubba, i was in Embarras Minnesota the day it hit a record 60 below zero. I understand the coldness! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by LPM Quote: Originally posted by K2 Quote: Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel -36 F here right now without wind chill finally someone who understands coldness.. Bubba, i was in Embarras Minnesota the day it hit a record 60 below zero. I understand the coldness! accually it was -67 below without wind chill in Embarass and i was there too i live bout 20 miles from there -23 today a bit warmer [Edited by The Happy Squirrel on 12-12-2000 at 12:15 PM Mavi forum

Burning Man

I know next year's festival is a long way off, but I'm working on my plans to go already. I was just wondering if anyone's been in the past, is planning to go in the future, or has any other random thoughts/stories about Burning Man. My plans, by the way, include a 35,000 watt sound system and some of the biggest DJs on the West Coast. Still gotta work on the whole shelter angle, though. __________________ I remember renots went when he was a fair newbie on this board... __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Ice-9 My plans, by the way, include a 35,000 watt sound system and some of the biggest DJs on the West Coast. Still gotta work on the whole shelter angle, though. You have a generator that will handle that? Remember, no juice in the desert... I think you'll be disappointed. From what I've heard (from Renots and others who've been), Burning man is more of an LSD kinda thing and less an Ecstacy kinda thing. People will be stumbling around aimlessly and checking out the art displays and tribal drum gatherings, not dancing to techno. Maybe you'll attract some of the frat-boys and yuppies there trying in vain to understand the experience or just gawking at the hippies, but who wants to attract them? I think you'd do better to save all that ammunition for a better venue. Or maybe I'm completely off base here. Renots has the first hand experience, so I'll defer my opinions to any advice he may have for you. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Ice-9 I know next year's festival is a long way off, but I'm working on my plans to go already. I was just wondering if anyone's been in the past, is planning to go in the future, or has any other random thoughts/stories about Burning Man. My plans, by the way, include a 35,000 watt sound system and some of the biggest DJs on the West Coast. Still gotta work on the whole shelter angle, though. heck, got room 4 1 more? (0: __________________ Quote: Originally posted by for20 heck, got room 4 1 more? Well, shut my mouth. __________________ Probably. Like I said, it's still in the planning phase, so I'm not sure what the line-up/timing is going to be like. I'm working with two guys who work at JK sound, which, for those of you who don't go to concerts or parties in the Bay Area, is one of the biggest sound rental companies in CA. So we're just dragging a monstrous sound system out into the desert, and we've been talking to every DJ we can find to just find out if they're interested. Obviously, we're not trying to pay them, so it's only going to be people who want to do it because it's Burning Man. I don't know how many will actually end up being there, but we've heard interest from a bunch of people. __________________ "understand" the experience? __________________ Burning Man is nothing like a "typical rave" but is still very cool. Its like a mix between a rave and a greatful dead concert(more hippies and LSD). Remember its only as cool as you make it so, participate and open your mind to different things. Oh, yeah BRING A COUPLE OF CAMERAS, the stuff you see there is sooo cool. BURN BABY BURN! __________________ I hear ya. We're not trying to make it a rave, just share what we love to do with anybody who cares to listen. And I plan on checking out what everybody else is up to while I'm there. It should be quite an experience. Mavi forum

It aint over till it's over.......

Help Wanted, Needed immediately; A FAT LADY, Willing to travel to Florida and sing. The networks are standing by. (this came from someone in SOUTH AFRICA! How nice to know we the butt of the worlds jokes once again..) __________________ Yeah.. laugh all they want. I'm not running around outside with a spear trying to get my lunch __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Adisharr Yeah.. laugh all they want. I'm not running around outside with a spear trying to get my lunch correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't south africa part of the UK? like, don't alot of wealthy people live there? i always have these visions of south africa being a very posh, exotic place. but i could be wrong. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Adisharr Yeah.. laugh all they want. I'm not running around outside with a spear trying to get my lunch Spectacular American ignorance on display for all to see. *sigh* and we wonder why they make the jokes...with the laughing, and the ridiculing, and the scratching, and the biting... __________________ Actually yes and no stylee-while pictures of South africa are lovely to look at, the actual country is a mess-with political uprisings,crime,and a bad economy. The whites who once ruled S.A are now in the minority as far as getting any kind of profitable work over the black and indian residents of the country. We used to travel alot and when I was a kid..due to my fathers job I had been there 4 times.My husband and I had opportunity also to travel there due to his job 5 or 6 times ...We stayed there for 3 months once and trust me-I would rather walk down any street in harlem wearing jewels and furs-While capetown is lovely -it is advised that if you are not familiar with ANY area of south africa and especially if you are a tourist that you do not go out at night without someone who knows the way around-hijackings are frequent and some of the locals are so nasty they will cut your feet off just to steal your shoes..the thieves at this point are really into stealing copper wiring..and will do just about anything to get it..the rape stats are higher than almost any other country in the world and the aids stats are SKY HIGH..while like any other big cities in this world there are those fat cats with bulging wallets-and its true that more than 50 percent of south african residents have maids,housekeepers and gardners-there are numerous pods of people who barely have food to feed themselves. Nice to visit-not nice to live... ps..while Johannesburg is treacherous..capetown is very geared towards visitors-Places like Durban and Pietermaritzburg are rising metropolises..FILLED with computer related jobs.I must say though-the friends I made while I did stay there are lovely people-just like any you might find in JoeQ Neighborhood and we still keep in contact which is how I get all this USA bashing type emails..they for once are happy to be out of the spotlight of having a bad governmental situation. [Edited by oblongmelon on 12-11-2000 at 02:09 PM] __________________ I believe Capetown is one of the few places in the world where rape insurance is sold. As for the cutting of the feet for the shoes, that might be an exaggerration, but I don't doubt that it happened maybe once or twice... __________________ What can I say - so I'm a geographical moron. Luckily, I don't have to know where it is to cash my paycheck or I would be in deep S*** Also after reading what oblongmelon has to say about the place, I think I'd rather be running with a spear and taking my chances. I'm also quite sure there are no other ignorant people in the world. Just us. __________________ arrrgh...silly-its an old south african saying.....grrrrrr, but truth be known..it has happened..cars get hijacked all the time,where people get robbed and killed for their clothes,shoes,wallets. [Edited by oblongmelon on 12-11-2000 at 03:11 PM] __________________ Quote: Originally posted by styleee Quote: Originally posted by Adisharr Yeah.. laugh all they want. I'm not running around outside with a spear trying to get my lunch correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't south africa part of the UK? like, don't alot of wealthy people live there? i always have these visions of south africa being a very posh, exotic place. but i could be wrong. It was a Dutch settlement, not English. __________________ Who cares if we are laughing stocks to the rest of the world. We are far from being a perfect nation and events like this will help us improve. I personally think that they should count all the votes even though I didn't vote for either one of them. One thing I think is hilarious is when they interview some idiot on the street who repeats everything he has heard on the news from other people, except he's such a basket case that he screws it all up. For instance the other day I heard this one toothless bastard talk about "They need to end the election, because we are looking like some third world nation like Russia or Alaska!" What a freakin dip****! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Hopper1 Quote: Originally posted by styleee Quote: Originally posted by Adisharr Yeah.. laugh all they want. I'm not running around outside with a spear trying to get my lunch correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't south africa part of the UK? like, don't alot of wealthy people live there? i always have these visions of south africa being a very posh, exotic place. but i could be wrong. It was a Dutch settlement, not English. Dutch by ancestry-but under rule of the Crown..I think it still may be- One of the "home" languages is Afrikaans-of which I am fluent..it's origins are definately dutch and hasn't strayed too much from the original Dutch that it was derived. Unfortunately the Afrikaaners are looked down on by alot of South Africans as being 'peasants'...it's sad. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Adisharr What can I say - so I'm a geographical moron. Luckily, I don't have to know where it is to cash my paycheck or I would be in deep S*** Also after reading what oblongmelon has to say about the place, I think I'd rather be running with a spear and taking my chances. I'm also quite sure there are no other ignorant people in the world. Just us. You call yourself a geographical moron. Maybe you should post on topics regard geographical issues. Maybe you should post in the topics that have to do with the McDonalds down the street. Or better yet, maybe you should learn about the world around you. Someday you'll realize that it affects you in ways you never knew Blu __________________ Quote: Originally posted by oblongmelon Unfortunately the Afrikaaners are looked down on by alot of South Africans as being 'peasants'...it's sad. typical British smear job... Mavi forum

Christmas...(ack) problems.......

OK..So we trudged off into the woods to chop down our numerous christmas trees-(which were all frozen solid,trunks buried in two feet of snow)..chop them down-box them off to fit into the damn stands..get them in the house and now that they are in the house they smell like BUCK LURE! (doe piss for anyone that doesn't know what buck lure is..)Lights and ornaments are great-but when your house starts smelling like the backwoods ****ter instead of a carolina pine forest what are ya supposed to do! Lord help me I swear this is the LAST time for real trees.... __________________ don't they have any of those christmas tree places on the side of the highway/ police station/ firehouse/ gas station by you? that is alot easier then choppin' one down myself and they usually smell like pine not piss __________________ I hate all the X-Mas tree vendors on the streets of my neighbohood in Manhattan . . . like it's not already hard enough to walk around on a sidewalk with a ton of people and half-filled with bodegas and fruit stands from markets, now we have to deal with a ton of X-Mas trees. At least we don't have to deal with a million tourists here. I was on 57th street the other night and couldn't walk without stepping on a tourist. I swear, they're like a plague of locusts! I wanted to go on a tourist killing spree just pushing as many of them as possible into the traffic on 5th Avenue . . . hehe __________________ Hey Butch-go to the Carnegie Deli and get me a pastrami on rye to go would ya? .....that would be the best christmas pressie I can think of right now....*drool* __________________ Quote: Originally posted by Butch I hate all the X-Mas tree vendors on the streets of my neighbohood in Manhattan . . . like it's not already hard enough to walk around on a sidewalk with a ton of people and half-filled with bodegas and fruit stands from markets, now we have to deal with a ton of X-Mas trees. At least we don't have to deal with a million tourists here. I was on 57th street the other night and couldn't walk without stepping on a tourist. I swear, they're like a plague of locusts! I wanted to go on a tourist killing spree just pushing as many of them as possible into the traffic on 5th Avenue . . . hehe i work in manhatten too but my office is all the freak way downtown, literally at the entrance to the holland tunnel. so i don't really see too many holiday tourist/ shoppers moseying around. but last year when i worked uptown a bit i had to deal with 34th street everyday. Nightmare on 34th Street is what the movie should be called! __________________ oooooo Butch? AND STYLEE? both in the Big Apple? I am getting vibes here people..... Mavi forum

Happy Holidays from the Democratic party!

__________________ You almost made me piss my pants... ROTFLMAO... You are a real gem sbp. I just love ya! __________________ Too bad the grinch didnt look like JIMMINY CRICKET-who totally resembles that Lieberman guy.. __________________ You went and spoiled it for me! The Grinch was one of my favorite heroes. Now I will look at him and think about slimey politicians... That Sucks. Mavi forum

British Zoologists with big hands

For Sale: ONe Used British Zoologist, complete with the "Big Hands" expansion kit. Like new condition, a very minor mecahnical defects. $27,000 obo To get more info call 1-99-BIG-HANDS __________________ But does this specific kit come with Red hair? __________________ yes it does! __________________ Well Hot Damm Happy Squirrel, I will take it.. any possibility you have red hair????? grin..Hugs __________________ OH GEZUS MAKE IT STOP....... __________________ Is this one of those personal posts that the GAM began deleting not too long ago? Because if not, I am lost... __________________ no its not the topic is so prevelent in all the other threads i figured it needed a thread dedicated to it __________________ I don't think men having big hands or a certain red haired zoologist having them either is private conversation. HOW MANY OF YOU ALL HAVE BIG HANDS... ???? MEN THAT IS. I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ..you can tell what a nice package a man has by the size of his hands. COME ON BOYS.. I HAVE THE MEASURING TAPE OUT! I must admit though its not the size of the package but how one uses it thats important in alot of cases! __________________ It's not the size of the boat; it's the motion in the ocean? Right? __________________ Woohoo Coleslaw... I am in love, Too bad your taken.. You win First Prize. Nice answer. __________________ Oh, abbra, I've been told I have large hands as well. Also, my dentist told me that I have a very large tongue. Does that count for anything? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by abbra I I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ..you can tell what a nice package a man has by the size of his hands. COME ON BOYS.. I HAVE THE MEASURING TAPE OUT! accually a Harvard study has proven exclusivly that there is absoultly no correlation between "package" size and the size of any other body part. i.e. big hands do not nessicarily mean big package __________________ Quote: Originally posted by The Happy Squirrel Quote: Originally posted by abbra I I WILL SAY IT AGAIN ..you can tell what a nice package a man has by the size of his hands. COME ON BOYS.. I HAVE THE MEASURING TAPE OUT! accually a Harvard study has proven exclusivly that there is absoultly no correlation between "package" size and the size of any other body part. i.e. big hands do not nessicarily mean big package I'd read otherwise. I read (and you didn't know? You're supposed to believe everything you read!) that there was a correllation, albeit not a strong one, between schlong length and the distance between the tip of the index finger and the crook of the hand/thumb joint. __________________ i ahve heard bout that but ahve come to believe that it is just as much a falacy as all the others heheh> __________________ I think it all depends on what that zoologist is doing with his Big Hands __________________ We all know what they say about guy with big hands..... they wear big gloves. __________________ In Light of Renots post about the British I must let all know that my British Zoologist is actually an Irishman born and raised in Dublin Ireland. Mavi forum

online reseller reviews?

Could someone point me to a few sites that rate online resellers? I know of resellerratings.com, but I'm looking for others as well. thanks __________________ bizrate.com Mavi forum

wanna smile??

http://www.megaspiele.de/flame/bsbgay.swf hee hee __________________ hmmm someone already posted this a while back. I think. __________________ ROFLMAO They sure R! __________________ My God. This is so funny. __________________ Yeah, I posted this way back. Kinda funny to see it again though. __________________ i'm sending this link to every girl that i know... hell yeah this is hilarious __________________ what is "crokain?" it says he's playin crokain.. do they mean croquet or what? __________________ sorry for the repost.... my apologies... __________________ is croquet a fag sport? haha. __________________ Funny stuff.. I KNEW it Mavi forum

Ancient Egyptian Treasures In The Grand Canyon?

http://www.sightings.com/general6/egy.htm Mavi forum

Paypal help please!

I'm trying to set up a Paypal transaction, and since it's my first time, I need the expertise of the GA community My question is, how long does an average transaction take, from start to finish (I need to know if it will it be more than a week)? That's it for now ... but I'm only in the research stage. Thanks in advance for the help! __________________ Sending money is fast. I think the recipient gets it pretty much instantaneously. But withdrawing takes longer. Let's say someone sent you money and you want to withdraw that amount into your bank account. That takes 3-4 days. asking for it as a check takes much longer like a week or so. Mavi forum

20 years?!

It's been 20 years today that John Lennon was shot. Anyone have any thoughts....? Blu __________________ Is he still the walrus? taht the question Chapman is a buttmonkey __________________ i wonder whats for dinner? __________________ Quote: Originally posted by hapoo i wonder whats for dinner? Pork! That's what's for dinner! __________________ Dont eat pork (btw, its "Pork, its whats for dinner") __________________ baby.. the other OTHER white meat! __________________ Quote: Originally posted by TheBluGuy It's been 20 years today that John Lennon was shot. Anyone have any thoughts....? Blu How is it that George Harrison gets attacked while Ringo gets his own BBC children's show. Hmm __________________ Quote: Originally posted by TheBluGuy It's been 20 years today that John Lennon was shot. Anyone have any thoughts....? Yeah. Who gives a ****. Big whoopdy doo. __________________ I'd hate to be dead for that long. Must be boring as hell. Unless you're in hell of course. __________________ I guess no one realizes and appreciates the genious that was John Lennon. May he rest in peace. __________________ The local (DC) news was making a big deal about Giuliani not extending the curfew on central park for an all-night vigil. People never cease to amaze me. I mean, he was merely a friggin entertainer for crying out loud! Then again, we're talking about a society that cares more about Diana's death than Mother Theresa's. __________________ John Lennon was more than an entertainer; he was part of American culture, and the culture of the rest of the world as well. His lyrics and music reflected the attitude and ideas of his era. People felt very close to Lennon through his music, which is why his death was such a tragedy. Rolling Stone recently (week of November 9) had a wonderful series of articles and other celebrities' views on his life and untimely death. __________________ Quote: Originally posted by coleslaw John Lennon was more than an entertainer; he was part of American culture, and the culture of the rest of the world as well. His lyrics and music reflected the attitude and ideas of his era. People felt very close to Lennon through his music, which is why his death was such a tragedy. Rolling Stone recently (week of November 9) had a wonderful series of articles and other celebrities' views on his life and untimely death. He was "only" an entertainer. He was extremely good at what he did. The rest of the world made him all the rest of the stuff you mentioned. Yes, his works inspired many others. Yes, the world was probably made poorer by his death. But "tragedy"? I guess I just don't understand the whole "need for stars/heroes to worship" thing. Mavi forum

i Guess I'm just like any other nucklehead

Yeah that's right no need 2 see the real me just fill in with previous sight How Vain I must be 2 presume 2 be Ur key when U see me as little more than a fight does man differ from one another more than a bee from a bee? Experience tells U I'll be a fright but hope allows that prove u wrong I just might But I gnow I'd climb any mountain Everest or K2 2 join u at the Apex mount 4 my Love is True and I feel most blue when I go weeks without seeing U [Edited by renots on 12-08-2000 at 10:40 AM] __________________ ...it not like anyone cares __________________ me? Mavi forum