OK, so it's never going to come to martial law, but really, the laissez-faire attitude taken by some of these government officials (although there's clearly nothing official about it) is dispicable, a certainly not what you'd expect for someone in charge of a goddamn federal election. To wit: __________________ the words Jesus H Christ reminded me of something kinda funny that i ahd seen a while backyou can find it here http://wallofjokes.te-c.net/Religious/Elvis-Jesus.shtml heheh enjoy __________________  good link __________________ I remember that phrase, I was 12 and my Dad told me to read Catcher in the Rye... I didn't understand most of the book, and don't remember much either, but clearly turning down a prostitute deserves a "Jesus H. Christ".__________________ These frivolous lawsuits filed by activists upset their guy lost should be thrown out! The "sinister" conspiracy is Al Gore and the rest of democratic operatives trying to steal the election.  __________________ Quote:
I agree with the chad bull****. That was just out of control. But these seem to have a little more substance than the previous ones. If some Republican momo was taking them into the back room by himself and "adjusting" or "correcting" them, maybe that's not such a great idea. Who knows how many he corrected. I say, throw all the ones out that aren't done properly. Double punched, no numbers, hanging chads, wrong ID numbers, do away with all of 'em. Then let's see who's won. __________________ Quote:
Sorry, but I don't think tampering with ballots illegally is a frivolous lawsuit, nor should it be thrown out. And if Bush goes on to win, he really will have "stolen" the race. (Although obviously this wasn't done at his request, so Bush bears no personal responsibility.) Someone ought to do some jail time over this one. And it would be particularly ironic if Bush lost the race because of the tampering. Many of the laws violated were put in place after the fiasco of a mayoral election in Miami a few years ago. Every election worker in Florida should have been aware of the legal issues. No excuses. None. Most Republicans who think this was "ok" would be FURIOUS if they found Gore supporters doing it. (And likewise, many Gore supporters wouldn't be so irate if it HAD been Gore supporters doing it). I didn't like Gore's attempts to keep recounting strategic counties until he got the results he wanted. It was a distasteful way to contest the results. But at least his attempts worked WITHIN the legal framework, rather than outside it. The simple fact is, those ballot requests were tampered with, and completed illegally. Nothing trumps that. Nothing else really matters. Consequently, they should not count. It doesn't matter if "Bush won", because the number of tampered ballots is greater than the margin of victory. Frankly, if you remove the illegal votes, Bush lost. And I don't think ANYONE should be elected president on a margin consisting of illegal votes. Now, I don't really care WHO wins the election. I voted for Nader. My guy ain't gonna win this one. I thought it was ironic when 19,000 less-than-brilliant people couldn't figure out how to vote properly, and cost Gore the race, and I think it would just as ironic if election fraud in two Florida counties cost Bush the race. Let's not get so blinded by our support for one side or another that we're willing to overlook a few crimes. And that goes for BOTH sides. They caught the idiots in Florida, but be prepared... the Republicans are going to be looking for their own cases to highlight now. And they'll probably find some. Breaking laws isn't limited to just one party or the other. If you're screaming for heads to roll now, be prepared for them to roll when it's your guys doing it too. A law is a law, and if you break it, you pay the price. Regardless of who won. Jase __________________  and another mind bites the dust... thanks for warning us about your ability to think logically and reason properly... __________________ I agree that this matter and others should be investigated and if necessary jail time dealt out. Both these parties have behaved despicably. Neither of these two guys deserves to be president. I think the institution of voting in this country has been damaged by this whole mess with recriminations that will be felt in future elections.[Edited by sbp on 12-07-2000 at 02:43 PM] __________________ Quote:
Absolutely. The question remains, if this progression to the center continues, what sort of buffoons are they going to march out for us in four years? *ugh* I shudder to think. Probably McCain, but the guy will probably mudsling his way right out the door, plus there's his health to consider. Bill Bradley's got no hope in hell, nor does Steve Forbes. Then you've got your fringe candidates, none of whom will make much of a dent, as this year's race seems to show. Especially considering no-one'll get fed funding except the usual suspects. __________________ I don't know... this just might be the catalyst thatmakes voters wake up and consider some of those third parties. sbp and Pennypinch are right, both parties have behaved deplorably throughout this mess. Bush started out in better shape as Al tried to weasel out the results he was looking for... but the Republicans are going to get a black eye out of the ballot request tampering issue. Even though Bush had nothing to do with it, it'll reflect on his party, and indirectly on Bush. Unless they just brush the ballot issue under the rug, (a possibility, since it's almost impossible to determine WHICH ballot requests were tampered with, and which weren't), both the Democrats and the Republicans are going to come out of the elections smelling like a pair of semester-old high school sweat socks. If the fringe parties, (Reform, Green, Natural Law, Libertarian, etc...) are smart, they'll take advantage of this RIGHT away, and capitalize on the discontent of people with the Dems and Repubs... Like it or not, the two major parties have grown increasingly more moderate over the last decade or so, competing for the suburban vote, the only real contested demographic large enough to be worth the effort. The key differences between the two parties have dwindled to a few major issues, and coincidentally, polls on those issues are split almost 50/50, so neither party risks much. (like abortion, affirmative action, etc..) A serious challenger on both the left and the right of the Dems and GOP could bring a little differentiation back to the parties, and force them to deal with some issues they've been avoiding. The Green party can do it on the left... the right is a little more up in the air, with the Reform, Natural Law, and Libertarian parties fighting it out. But hey, wouldn't it be great to find a candidate you could REALLY believe in? One who doesn't cave in to the polls? One who doesn't waffle on important issues for fear of alienating soccer moms? Maybe, just maybe, this election disaster will make people realize that they're tired of the two parties. They're sick of the corruption and poll-sitting. And they're ready to vote for someone new. (assuming the democrats and republicans trot out the same yammering idiots in 4 years). Who knows? Maybe we'll still have to choose from Joe Smith and John Jones in 4 years... but maybe, just maybe, this is the cluster*&^( that makes people consider something new.... Jase Mavi forum |
Tuesday, June 12, 2007
Laid-back attitude leads to martial law
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